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"Watchtower" is a term from witchcraft NOT Scripture

by FuzzyPaul in

has anyone else ever noticed that there is no watchtower in scripture as part of any particular teaching but there is prominent use of watchtower in dungeons and dragons type games and forms of witchcraft including spells involving watchtower?

see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/watchtower_%28magic%29.

and msn search for watchtower alone & with magic spell or occult or witchcraft.. ct russell was a 33rd degree freemason ( illuminati) nutcase who read books by guys that measured the lengths of the halls in pyramids to foretell the future by.

morning glory

A few persons posting on this thread appear to go as as far as acknowledging that CT Russell

used occult symbols and terminology in his publications,but that this did not link him necessarily to the Freemason family of organizations.

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Further, the symbols in question used by the Watchtower are used by a number of occult groups, not just the Masons."

It is true that the symbols of the winged sun-disk,the pyramid are not used exclusively by Freemasons and these symbols actually trace back to the Egyptian Mystery Religion.

However,there does seem to be at least one symbol that Russell used on his Watchtower magazine that is strictly connected to a Masonic symbol.This is the Knight in armour in the upper RH side of the front cover of the older Watchtowers.For the purpose of showing the "knight in armour" on the front cover of the early Watchtowers,I will use this link;

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/dirtywatchtowersecrets.htm

This "knight in armour" symbol does not trace back to any symbols found in Egyptian mystery religion,but is more identified with the Knight's Templar Masonic organization.

http://www.scjdemolay.org/

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/templarchapter/

Interestingly, the crown and cross symbol on that picture of the Watchtower also bears resemblance to a Knights Templar logo,and is really a 2nd example of a symbol chosen by CT Russell that is not traceable back to ancient Egypt.

Any thoughts?

Morning Glory

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"Watchtower" is a term from witchcraft NOT Scripture

by FuzzyPaul in

has anyone else ever noticed that there is no watchtower in scripture as part of any particular teaching but there is prominent use of watchtower in dungeons and dragons type games and forms of witchcraft including spells involving watchtower?

see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/watchtower_%28magic%29.

and msn search for watchtower alone & with magic spell or occult or witchcraft.. ct russell was a 33rd degree freemason ( illuminati) nutcase who read books by guys that measured the lengths of the halls in pyramids to foretell the future by.

morning glory

The lyrics of this song would probably remind most viewers of a refrain coming from a Kingdom Hall.Not so! Isn't it strangelycoincidental how the JW's and Masons praise the same god!!

http://altreligion.about.com/library/texts/macoy/bl_masonicmanual6.htm

"Now those that are worthy,
Our toils who have shar'd,
And prov'd themselves faithful,
Shall meet their reward.
Their virtue and knowledge,
Industry and skill,
Have our approbation,
Have gained our good-will.

We accept and receive them, Most Excellent Masters
Invested with honors, and power to preside;
Among worthy craftsmen, wherever assembled,
The knowledge of Masons to spread far and wide.

ALMIGHTY JEHOVAH!Descend now and fill
This lodge with thy glory,
Our hearts with good will' Preside at our meetings,
Assist us to find
True pleasure in teaching
Good will to mankind.

Thy wisdom inspired the great institution,
Thy strength shall support it till nature expire;
And when the creation shall fall into ruin,
Its beauty shall rise through the midst of the fire."

Morning Glory

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Eisenhower used WT Bible when sworn into office

by Bonnie_Clyde in

jw
friends

joel rosenburg was on tv a few minutes ago talking about eisenhower's background.

he mentioned that his father left the religion after the end of the world did not happen in 1914 and that his mother continued.

then he mentioned that when he was sworn into office, he had his hands on a bible published by jehovah's witnesses.

morning glory

Slimboyfat asked,"

I wonder, was his mother alive to Witness all this?"

Answer is Yes!

http://www.kancoll.org/khq/1945/45_7_eisenhower.htm

IN June, 1945, Dwight David Eisenhower, supreme commander of the allied armies in Europe, returned to the United States for the first time after the victory in Europe. As the executive who welded more than five million men and women into a unified force, and as a great general, he had received world acclaim. In London, Paris, Washington, New York, West Point and Kansas City the highest honors were bestowed upon him. On the 21st he came home for a visit with members of his family, including his mother and four brothers. He stayed in Abilene two days and was welcomed in a celebration that demonstrated the pride and affection of his fellow Kansans.

For a picture of his mother welcoming him,check out the rest of this link,towards the bottom.

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The 7 times of Daniel

by morning glory in

ct russell was not the only one and perhaps not even the first individual to create a doctrine out of the 7 times(2520 years) formula.

notice on this link how alesha sivartha,a forerunner of the "new age" movement,also regarded 606bce and 1914 as significant years in bible prophecy;.

http://www.nichirenscoffeehouse.net/sivartha/12.375.html.

morning glory

jwfacts- Thanks for your info and the research you had done on this subject. Russell obviously was not the first to try to use the 7 times formula in determining certain prophetic dates.

drew sagan - you said,"

JWs really think that THE BIBLE STUDENTS ALONE where making this known!" I agree.That is the perception of the JWs that their religion is so unique. If they were not living under a "fishbowl" mentality and took the liberty of doing some personal research,they would see that they are only getting a one sided version,the WTS's version.

As far as pinpointing 1914 as a prophetic year using the 2520 year formula,the fact remains that so far,I have found only two individuals who did this -(1) CT Russell in collaboration with Barbour,and (2) Alesha Sivartha in his Book of Life.Both writers published their conclusions within a few decades of each other. Also both incorporated pyramids into their theology,although for different purposes,it seems. It could be coincidental. I am not sure.

Russell had apparantly looked into "eastern" religious beliefs when he was younger and Sivartha's Book of Life seems to originate from that particular area of religious thought.Don't know if there is any connection or not!

Again,thanks for your replies.

MorningGlory

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Suppressing Doubts

by The wanderer in

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friends

having been one of jehovah's witnesses for the better part of fourteen years and then having left the organization after having discovered the watchtower society's involve- ment with the united nations has left me second guessing myself.

often times, i ask myself why?-why?

did i not listen to my "gut feelings" when i held certain doubts about the organization?

morning glory

I don't know why it took me 35 years to start to wake up! I already felt in my heart that some of the WTS teachings could not be supported by the Bible and I seen enough instances of scandelous behaviour among elder bodies to know that holy spirit was not behind the appointment of elders,and yet I kept "waiting on Jehovah" to correct things!

Like you it was the NGO affair that told me immediately that there was something very wrong about this situation that reached right down to the very roots of the JW belief system,ie the perception of a "faithful and discreet slave" who could at the same time suport and cooperate with the "beast" that this "slave" so often condemned! At least you and I and many others were able to accept the truth of the NGO affair,while all others,so far,to whom I mentioned the NGO thingy to,were unable to see anything wrong in the WTS's actions.Frankly,if it were not for the NGO affair,I might still be in the borg "waiting on Jehovah"! Learning about the NGO affair was the catalyst that prompted me to look deeper into the history of the organization and the rest is history.

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The 7 times of Daniel

by morning glory in

ct russell was not the only one and perhaps not even the first individual to create a doctrine out of the 7 times(2520 years) formula.

notice on this link how alesha sivartha,a forerunner of the "new age" movement,also regarded 606bce and 1914 as significant years in bible prophecy;.

http://www.nichirenscoffeehouse.net/sivartha/12.375.html.

morning glory

CT Russell was not the only one and perhaps not even the first individual to create a doctrine out of the 7 times(2520 years) formula. Notice on this link how Alesha Sivartha,a forerunner of the "New Age" movement,also regarded 606BCE and 1914 as significant years in Bible prophecy;

http://www.nichirenscoffeehouse.net/Sivartha/12.375.html

Sivartha put a bit of a different "twist" on the 7 times,however,applying it to the image in Daniel chpt.2 instead of to the stump of the cut down tree of Daniel chpt.4 that was prophesized to remain dormant until 7 times had elapsed.

I found it interesting that another individual outside of CT Russell would regard 1914 as a prophetic year and arrive at his conclusion using the same 7 times formula.

Does anyone know of any connection between CT Russel and Alesha Sivartha,or is this just coincidental?

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Knights Templar Watchtower

by avengers in

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morning glory

Maybe you can get a few more ideas for your Watchtower magazine from this link;

http://www.bibleplanofgod.com/

MorningGlory

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PASTOR RUSSELL on MASONIC connections

by Terry in

(pastor russell dot com)in his own words...was pastor russell a freemason?.

"there are certain conditions,the low gate, the narrow way, the difficult path.

although i have never been a mason, i have heard that in masonry they have something which very closely illustrates this" ... "many masons shake hands with me and give me what i know is their grip; they don't know me from a mason.

morning glory

"As we understand the matter, for instance, the Free Masons, Odd Fellows, Knights of Pythias, etc., perform certain rites and ceremonies of a religious kind... We place upon one level all of those who have any religious ceremonies, teachings, etc., and consider them all as parts of Babylon ... We admonish the New Creation to have nothing whatever to do with any of these semi-religious societies, clubs, orders, churches; but to "Come out from amongst them, and be ye separate, and touch not the unclean thing." (`2 Cor. 6:17`)" —1904; "The New Creation", pp. 580-581

Sounds like strange advise coming from one who used the Winged Sun-disk to decorate the cover of his "Finished Mystery" and also used the Knights Templar crown and cross and other Masonic symbols to decorate the covers of "Zion's Watchtower" and "The Studies in the Scriptures" series!!

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zions watchtower taught astrology as doctrine

by headmath in

from zions watchtower may 1, 1903

qoute

an astrologer's outlook.. .

morning glory

Russell's writings often express a curious intermixing of astrology,pyramidology,and the bible! "The Photodrama of Creation" also referred to astrology,among other teachings that JWs today wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole! (Unless,of course,the GB came up with some "new light" and sanctioned these teachings!) Here are a few exerpts from Russell's Photodrama of Creation;

http://www.biblestudents.org/absco/photodrama/

The

zodiacal signs illustrate various sections of the heavens, visible at different seasons.

http://www.biblestudents.org/absco/photodrama/pd0002.htm

Egyptologists have been astonished by their findings in the tombs of the Pharaohs. In some of these, historic tablets have been found, tracing the ancestry of the Pharaohs apparently back to Creation--the first Pharaoh--Adam. But these tablets show so many more generations than the Bible record that Egyptologists lose all faith in the Genesis account. They become Higher Critics, discount the Bible record and pin their faith to the Egyptian tablets. They confess, however, that these tablets vary, and more or less contradict each other. Concededly, the most accurate is THE ABYDOS TABLET, found in the sepulchre of Seti I.--probably the Pharaoh who made Joseph his Prime Minister and who is supposed to have died about 120 years before Moses was born.

http://www.biblestudents.org/absco/photodrama/pd0003.htm

THE ABYDOS TABLET fully agrees with Genesis and is often corroborated by the Greek and Egyptian historians, Herodotus and Manetho. It shows Adam as the first Pharaoh, and Noah the twentieth, while the intermediate eighteen correspond with Genesis with remarkable accuracy. Mena's wife was Shesh--Hebrew, Isha--woman. Her first son was Pharaoh II.--Greek, Teta-Khent--guilty one; Hebrew, Kanighi; Latin, Athos; English, Cain. The tablet for Abel represents him as the non-resistant one.

Melchisedec is supposed to have been one of the Shepherd Kings who invaded Egypt and built the

Great Pyramid ,covering twelve acres , known for ages as one of the Seven Wonders of the world--about 2170 B.C. Astronomers tell that its measurements indicate the length of the year, the weight of the Earth, the distance to the sun, etc. Its interior passages represent human history--Downward, the course of sin and death; Upward, the Law Age, the Gospel Age, the Kingdom glory of the Church, and Human Restitution.

Russell's interest in pyramidology,along with his use of Egyptian and Masonic symbols on many of his publications has led many to suspect a Masonic connection to Russell and his early supporters

Morning Glory

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They took my money!

by whatlite? in

okay, well i'm another newbie but maybe i will find a few people to be appauled with me.

i have been shunned by my entire family..father, 3 sisters and a brother, 4 aunts 5 uncles, and countless cousins.

the best part of it is i'm not even df'd.

morning glory

It seems that the UN thing is a sensitive issue with the JWs! When my wife wrote her elder father about the WTS affiliation with the UN a couple of years back,and expressed that she didn't feel that it the right thing to do,her father used that letter against her in a judicial committee meeting.The letter proved to be the necessary 2nd witness that the local elders needed to disfellowship her.Up to that point,they had the testimony of only one witness whom she had mentioned the UN thing to. With friends like that,who needs enemies!?

A year back my wife's mother phoned her to request some fleece sheets that she makes. She offered to pay for them but my wife said to not worry about it. Since her parents live several hours away from us,we sent the sheets by mail. Three weeks went by and we hadn't received a thank you note or any indication that they had indeed received the parcel. It could have gotten lost in the postal system,as far as we knew. So,my wife phoned to see if they had received the parcel. Her dad answered the phone and affirmed that it did arrive. He did manage to squeeze out a meaningless thanks and that was the end of the conversation! But,on their own,neither my wife's father nor mother,were able to think of giving us a phonecall or thank you note just out of courtesy.

My wife's aunt(not a JW) in Germany(sister to her mother) told my wife recently that the only time her sister ever calls her is when she needs something. Other than that,she never hears from her!

You asked," Is my family the only crazies out there?" I don't think so! Seems to be a common trait of JWs,IMO.

Morning Glory